Jacqueline Novak: Yeah, the friendship. We’ve never actually properly collaborated on anything, despite being comedians, lone wolves, brothers in arms, that sort of thing. So, I’ve obviously always wanted to collaborate with Berlant, the funniest person I know.
Berlant: Our finest mind, I’ve been saying it for 10 years.
So now you’re both in LA?
Novak: Yes, I moved two years ago. We were going almost weekly to one of the Korean spas, and while we were in the sauna, Berlant mentioned [wanting to start] a podcast called Poog because she had tweeted it ages before, and I was like, yes, and we started screaming about the possibilities. This is an untapped market.
Berlant: Jacqueline is the business mind of Poog.
Novak: I pretend to be at least. This is untapped. No one’s even trying to be funny. I don’t even like talking about being funny; that’s not quite it. We were obviously laughing a lot, but we were laughing at our intensity about the thing, you know what I mean? It was like, this is something we could talk about forever. It’s not a subject to cover and be done with. It’s compulsion, but in the best way. We certainly were nude [at the spa], we were in the nude.
Novak: Whispering in the spa.
Berlant: Whispering in the Himalayan salt room.
Novak: It gets a little loose. It’s funny, you’re not supposed to talk in there. We even saw signs, an increase of signs.
Berlant: ‘No whispering.’
Novak: There are said hours. On a Friday evening it gets a little loose in there. It’s very interesting.
Berlant: We were very respectful.
Jacqueline, you mentioned compulsions. What are the wellness rituals that you’re both obsessed with?
Berlant: I have to say, this really embodies my approach to my life, which is that yesterday morning I woke up and did 25 minutes of floor pilates, convinced myself the whole day was positively inflected in a way that was so transformative, texted 1,400 people about it. Last night I was getting ready for bed and I was like, I actually can’t wait to get up and do my pilates. And then of course this morning rolls around and I’m like, uh oh. Then I’m like, you’re doing it, bitch. And then I did it, showered, popped a quarter of an Adderall. I was like, this is a new world, honey babe. I was really excited about my new reality. And so, will I do it tomorrow, right?